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We talk
with Ann Schultz, breeder of multiple Champions, Futurity and
Maturity winners,
Editor's note: This interview was conducted by Dr. Robin Lyle and Jason Lyle, at the home of Ann Schultz in Michigan, on June 28, 2008.
Kennel Name: Edan Location: Horton, Michigan (90 miles west of Detroit) Occupation: Reading Recovery Teacher (individually teaching the lowest functioning children in the first grade).
GSDbyDesign: How many years have you been involved with GSDs? Ann: I bought my first German Shepherd puppy in 1977, and bred my first litter in 1979. Trying to get started in GSDs was very hard. I didn't have a mentor, just books. I went to two Nationals in Niagara Falls before I decided
which direction I wanted to go and it was Reno (Ch. Cobert's Reno of Lakeside ROM). Before that I had bought two
bitches. One had a horrible temperament and pancreatic insufficiency and had to be put down at 4. The other one
looked like a giraffe, but I loved her and she died at five from a brain tumor.
I was starting to get discouraged and that is when I bought the Reno daughter. If you are going to do well at anything, you have to be persistent. Don’t give up. Don't get discouraged. Go to dog shows. Read all you can. I read all the old Redbooks to see where the top producers were coming from and developed a plan. My plan was that I was going to get a champion.
GSDbyDesign: How did you get
started in your breeding program? I decided to breed her to CH Doppelt Tay's Hammer ROM.I just loved that dog’s great character. It was a copycat breeding that produced Topflight’s Sue, a bitch that finished in seven shows and, back then, that didn’t happen very often. Felicia missed, so six months later, it was back to Pennsylvania (for another breeding). This time she had two puppies: a beautiful male and bitch. Unfortunately the male was a monorchid. The bitch was to become CH Awlful Good of Edan CD TC ROM. Awlful was the #2 Living ROM dam at one time, and is very high on the list today with more than 500 ROM points. When Awlful was 10 weeks old, Jim Norris saw her and said to me, “This is your ticket into German Shepherds!" He never lived long enough to see how profound the statement was. Every dog in my kennel today goes back to Awlful!
GSDbyDesign: Who was the most
influential person in your breeding program? At that time he was a judge and temperament evaluator for the GSDCA. He handled GV CH Hollomar's Judd . . . and, I believe, he was the judge that put Lance up as GV. (Editor’s note: Ann is absolutely correct. The 1967 National Intersex Judge was Jim Norris.) He had been diagnosed with terminal cancer, but he kept coming and teaching classes and told no one about his illness. It was very sad when he passed. I called his wife after I had gone GVx and told her that it probably wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for his help and I wish that he would have lived longer. She told me he knew, because she was sure he had been looking down at that National.
GSDbyDesign: Who are some of your all-time favorite GSDs (of your own breeding or otherwise)? Ann: There are many, but the one dog I absolutely loved was Houston (FV MV 3X Sel CH Houston of Wildwood ROM). He should have been a Grand Victor. He was Select #2 twice. There are a lot of dogs I really liked. I don’t want to go there because I am afraid I’ll leave a good one out. Some of my favorite dogs that I have bred or owned are: CH Awlful Good of Edan CD TC ROM – Awlful is my all-time favorite. When Awlful was 6 months old, our house burned. I had four dogs in the house. I can't tell you how awful it is to turn into my driveway, see five fire trucks in my front yard and know all my dogs were in the house. Awlful was out in a run and was the only dog not in the house. I lost my 14 year old bitch, Annie. I had bought her as a pet and obedience dog from Stahl Farms. She was my real love at that time and knew over 200 words. The other three dogs were out on the front lawn and the firemen were giving them oxygen. One was Awlful's brother, and he died at a year of pneumonia from the smoke inhalation. The other was my dysplastic bitch and she had a brain tumor shortly after. The third was my long-coat and she died several years later from respiratory problems. Awlful was my first competitive show dog. I was going to show her myself—no professional handler for me. I put most of her points on her and both of her majors. She was just short of six years old when I finished her. Using a handler, she got several major reserves at specialties – when it took more than 30 bitches for a major. When she was nearly three, I had almost decided to give up showing as she only had a few points. I went to every show, no matter who the judge was. I learned slowly that some judges know a good GSD, but there are more that don't. I think this is why I have always favored specialty shows – at least my dog is being evaluated by judges that are active in this breed and care about German Shepherds.
I went to my first futurity with Awlful in 1980. There were 52 Junior Bitches shown in her class and she took a fifth place. It would be 1985 before I got my first piece of wood. In 1982, when Awlful was 2.5, I bred her to CH Cassey v Bleibtreu. When she was a couple weeks in whelp, a friend of mine called and asked me to accompany her to the Ann Arbor KC show. I entered Awlful in BBE, because I was virtually assured of a blue ribbon, as usually no one showed in this class. Eugene Tenges, Treasurer of the GSDCA, was the judge. Awlful won the BBE class, as she was the only one in it. We then went Winner’s Bitch and Best of Breed over Specials. Gene told me that Awlful was a very nice bitch and she should finish. She was six weeks in whelp at that time and it showed. I think that I would not have continued to show if this hadn’t happened. It was more about knowing which judges were knowledgeable and which weren't. I am still learning and making mistakes here today. From that first breeding I got Am/Can CH Baddest of Edan (whom I handled to all of her points) and Bestest of Edan ROM (dam of Am/Can CH Earth Wind and Fire of Edan ROM). Awlful had all her single points, but I couldn't get her majors, so I bred my third litter in 1983, sired by Sel CH Alabama of Shiloh Gardens, an absolutely drop-dead gorgeous sable. That litter was a disaster. Four puppies; two with bad hips and two with bad elbows. I had never heard of elbow dysplasia. After that I x-rayed my dogs for both elbows and hips. This was well before it was recognized as a serious problem in the breed.
After her litter, I returned to showing her. She got her first major at age five and then her second major a few weeks later. I put the two majors on her myself, including several group placings in the working group. Recently, someone asked me if owner-handling my bitch to GVx was my most exciting moment. I said no. Finishing Awlful was – and still is – my most exciting moment in German Shepherds. She was everything a German Shepherd should be. She had great character, showmanship, and correct structure. She was a great producer and lived to be fourteen. I had bred her daughter, Bessie, to Jock the first time and she had missed. I just loved his two sons: Sel CH Hoheneichen's Magnum ROM and Up N’Adam. Therefore, she was bred to Sel CH Proven Hill's Up N' Adam in 1984. This breeding produced Am/Can CH Earth Wind and Fire of Edan CD ROM. He was the first dog to get me noticed in the breed as a breeder. Very few well-known breeders came to him, as I was still a no-name in this breed. I then realized that bitches make your kennel and dogs make your name. 1985 was a banner year for me. I basically had not done anything after being in the breed for eight years. Most people might have been gone from the breed, but I never give up. I have always set goals and worked hard to achieve them. Sometimes I wonder why! I had called George Berstler when Eatit was 4 months old and told him I had a star. I was a no-name, and I had to give him names of knowledgeable people that would back this up (which I did), before he consented to show him. I won my first futurity plaque that year, going Best in Futurity at the Mid-Atlantic under Judy Teidel. That same year, I put the final two majors on Awlful and finished her. She also had a litter sired by Eatit. CH Gone with the Wind of Edan ROM came from that breeding. I also had shown Dawnhill's Carli for her owner, Dawn Hirdes, in 12-18 at the Triangle, and won her class one day and ended up buying her on a co-ownership.
CH Gone
with the Wind of Edan ROM
CH Love
at First Bite of Edan ROM
AOE GVx CH Dawnhill's Carli CD TC Earth Wind and Fire went fourth American Bred dog under Ed Barrett, in a class of 56. I then showed Awlful to fourth in a huge veteran bitch class. Then it was Carli's turn. I was in the first group, which consisted of some of the best bitches and handlers in the country. Over half of the group went select. When we went around for our individual, there was very little applause. We were both no names from Michigan. The show was in Atlanta, GA, at an outside covered horse arena. The temperature was 96 degrees with humidity even higher in September. We worked our way up until Dave was down to three bitches: Carli, Charlie Mardecz's beautiful bitch (Am Sel CH Can CH Valmy's Perhaps Love ROM), and Cusick's Stoneridge's Koni Felicia. Dave gave each of us a chance in front. By now the house was coming down when Carli got to lead. I think I was in third and had gone by Dave when he pointed and the next thing I remember is George hugging me and me saying, "Did I win?" It was pretty exciting. The late Pat Turrise taped that national and I remember getting chills watching it when she said, "Carli is not only owned by Ann Schultz; she is being handled by Ann Schultz."
We had
to go to the dinner, but we didn't have tickets and the
Fords gave us their tickets – that’s the kind of people they
were. I remember being handed a bill for half the champagne,
$250, because that is what they did back then. Thankfully,
one of my friends covered it for me until later.
CH Earth
Wind and Fire of Edan CD ROM
1993 GV
CH Bethesda's Earth of Jada-Edan ROM
We were
lucky enough in specials for ET to have Bart Bartley handle
him. His special wasn't being shown; so he was available.
Few handlers would have been as capable as Bart at handling
this moving machine. Well, Peggy Douglas did more than
that. ET not only went Select; he went Grand Victor and
Best of Breed. He was never shown after 23 months of age. He
was a good producer and got his ROM from a few litters also.
I’ve Got
It All of Edan ROM
Muggles
was bred to CH T-Ho's For Whom the Bell Tolls ROM and Sel
Exc CH Welove Du Chien's Rollins ROM; both before they
became ROMs themselves. She has produced 10 champions to
date. Two more are just a few points away from finishing
and several others are just starting out.
From her last litter, sired by Rollins, she has produced Take No Prisoners of Edan (11 points, both majors), Look Ma No Hands of Edan (first -9-12 bitch - Canadian National), and No Autographs Please of Edan.
Sel Exc
CH Maxwell was finished from the BBE class at specialties,
with Christina Szparaga handling him, in six shows, at 15
months of age. He went Select #6 with up-and-coming young
handler Nick Fedorow, who was showing at his first National.
And he is one of the best dogs I have ever bred.
GSDbyDesign: What is the most
important quality to you in a GSD?
GSDbyDesign:
What problem(s) do you think are
most prevalent in the breed?
GSDbyDesign:
When you select a puppy, what are
you looking for? Be as specific as possible.
GSDbyDesign: What’s your process for selecting a stud dog?
GSDbyDesign: How have you developed your foundation bitch line
in your kennel?
GSDbyDesign:
What is the best thing about being involved in GSDs?
GSDbyDesign:
What are your goals in the breed? What else you do hope to
accomplish?
GSDbyDesign: Is there anything else you would like to
address? Also, I think that handlers control this breed. I don't think we are seeing the knowledgeable successful breeders of yesteryear because new people are not becoming students of the breed. Why should they when their handler tells them who to buy, who to breed to and what puppies to keep? I have never had a handler promote a stud dog and they are not bred to very often because of that. Handlers tell their clients to breed to their own dogs, even if it isn’t a good breeding for the bitch.
I have had a lot of good handlers. I decide where to show my dogs. I have studied judges over the years and definitely know more of what a judge likes in my dogs than a handler, unless politics are involved. I have used a lot of junior handlers and found that, yes, we lost a lot when we probably should have won; but there are still a lot of judges out there that judge dogs. I take care of all my dogs by myself, do my own breedings and make all my decisions as to what breedings I will be doing. I am not one to listen to handlers about who I should breed to. I look at other successful breeders and make my decision from those observations, along with what I feel that I need to bring into my own program. When I go out to the kennel, I want to look at beautiful dogs that can move and are great to live with. Right now, MeMe is my housedog and there could not be a better roommate anywhere in the world.
The German Shepherd by Design will be conducting interviews of notable breeders and handlers throughout 2008. If you would like to be featured on our website, contact Becky at gsdbydesign@aol.com.
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